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commentation about appearance


"I, for one, don't even look at appearance... I don't look at the way someone looks, I don't know how else to describe that. I'm a spiritual person, looks aren't even on the radar with me. When I meet someone their looks don't register in my head, but their energy and spirit makes an impression. You don't have to believe me, I don't expect you to, most people can't comprehend a world withour appearance...it's beyond you."

I'm sorry, but you're full of shit. (the whole commentation)

And another thing -- how do you get off saying that you have a list of people you hate -- and you include shallow people? It isn't deep to hate certain groups of people -- in fact, it is one of the most shallow acts possible. So you're saying that you hate yourself, whether you meant to say that or not.

By the way, loves, if you feel the urge to come to my defense, please comment here with your outrage and not there; I don't want her thinking that I sent all my friends to bash her. I just wanted to see if you guys think that as ridiculous as I do. And if you want to respond to the original post, feel free.

And y'know what? if she wasn't obviously so full of hate, I'd believe her little claim to be superior to most humans. But hate does not go with depth and insight, ever.

feelings: cynical
sounds: Metallica: "Devil's Dance"

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evileve ══╣╠══
This journal is solely composed of rants and drama.

this says alot about the kind of person she is.


scourge ══╣stiletto╠══
http://www.livejournal.com/users/photognome/127958.html go here (for reference) on the policy of " no child left behind" being the reason for banning a spelling Bee. Her attitude on models and lack of respect for them seems to smack of the same thing. if the model works and gets to a certain 'look' that everyone else can't just snap their fingers and achieve...then they are " wrong" and bad. 8( sad sad world we live in. and i guess its just 'beyond me' since i think looks do , to some degree, until you get to know a person, play an important part.
moody_godess ══╣╠══
well, she's certainly can have her own opinion. do i agree with it? um, no.

ok, 'most people cant comprehend a world without appearance...its beyond you.'

wow, this makes me feel that she feels she's so superior to all of us because we believe beauty exists and appearance is important. i believe it impossible to say that you dont base ANYTHING on appearance. you cannot blindfold yourself. whether you know it or not, your first impression is made with your eyes. period. then yes, it certainly possible to be affected by their spirit and so on. which obviously is more important than looks. but how can you say appearance 'does not register with me?'..if you have eyes, they register. admit it or not.

and to say that modeling is anti-feminist. i think it untrue. hmm...i dont have the energy to express my agrument here...so ill leave it at that. :)

xo
aubkabob ══╣╠══
also, to completely say that she does not judge anything by looks... i shudder to think as to...

well, for example. i think that judging by looks - to some degree - can be a form of defense. in my walking home from work every night, i would be more concerned with someone who looked shady and suspicious, vs. a cheerleader walking on the street behind me in the dark.

does that make me a judgemental bitch? ;)
aubkabob ══╣╠══
actually *scritches head* i think, knowing the surrounding area, that i may be a bit more concerned about a cheerleader actually WALKING along a highway in the dark....
belenen ══╣garrulous╠══
whether you know it or not, your first impression is made with your eyes. period. then yes, it certainly possible to be affected by their spirit and so on. which obviously is more important than looks. but how can you say appearance 'does not register with me?'..if you have eyes, they register. admit it or not.

Absolutely, that's what I was trying to beat into her head.
jedibubbles ══╣╠══
I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist the urge to poke her a little in her own journal. Though I didn't let on that I actually know you, so she might not notice. JEBUS, she's a judgemental bitch. I had to actually check how old she was; I've read posts by 14-year-olds that were more mature and intelligent...
jedibubbles ══╣╠══
And, truth be told, claiming to be superior to a majority of the rest of the human race in any way is a good way to make me dismiss you right off the bat, since it reeks of arrogance and arrogance is a kind of hatred.
aubkabob ══╣╠══
also, as if claiming to be superior is not a form of judgmentaton?

is judgementation a word? you can find it in the Dictionary of Aubrenese, sold at any retail book store.

they just uh... hide it in the back.
belenen ══╣shimmering╠══
arrogance is a kind of hatred

So true, and a fascinating new concept! *wanders off to ponder*
misemifein2 ══╣╠══
If she was going to say all that without bringing in the "anti-feminist" thing it might not be so bad. Women model, men model, if they do that equally then it's not anti-feminist to model. I don't think women modelling is agains the feminist cause. If a woman wears short skirts, shows her breast, and wears handcuffs or chains then that's maybe re-inforcing the "women are inferior and there to be looked at and used" kind of thing.

Leaving the feminist bit aside.

There are different kinds of modelling, as you pointed out. Endorsing one kind of body shape, one type of appearance is bad, stick-thin models in this case. If we have curvy models, thin models, fat models, then thats not endorsing any particular appearance. Although that is just dealing with body shape, and it goes beyond that. I think that judging by appearance is bad, and as it is, I think that modelling can have a bad effect. If i'm looking at a whole pile of models, and they all look beautiful, I feel ugly. If the models weren't there, maybe I wouldn't. I disagree with the way she's put her argument though.

What we need is a greater diversity of models, and a wider appreciation of beauty. I expect it is possible not to judge by how someone appears, and maybe there are a few people who can do that. Is that a good thing? Well, yes. How people appear can indicate something of their character, perhaps, I don't know (would need studying). In general though, appearance shouldn't matter. When you judge people from what little you can see of their character at first glance then that's just as bad though, and I'm guessing this person hasn't thought about that. I would guess that she is satisfied with not judging by appearances, and has put herself on a pedestal because of that, and has sort of halted her progression there. But I don't know. To say that for certain I'd be making snap judgements, which would be bad.

Whether or not you judge by appearances does not mean you can't appreciate beauty. Things look beautiful, sunsets (cliche, i know), flowers, chairs, forks. So can humans look beautiful. In a photo, or as a model, a person is an object. It's the judging of character based on looks that is bad, not the perception of beauty/non beauty. Person can be beautiful inside and not beautiful on the outside, inside is what matters more, outside still exists. Viewing models as objects (when seeing them only as models)is fine. This person thinks that viewing models as objects means that people will generalise and view all people as objects all of the time, and nothing more. Especially females, hence the anti-feminism accusation. Men run the same risks. She needs that pointing out to her.
shespoke ══╣╠══
it's bullshit if someone is saying that looks don't matter when you're getting to know a person. you can't help it. that's just the way that we work. you can't honestly look at someone and not have some sort of opinion towards their physical appearance. some people take this too far and don't look at the inside too, and that's when it gets shallow. but it's not bad to say that appearance does play some role, that's just being honest.
misemifein2 ══╣╠══
Just had a little look at the rest of her journal. No point, don't bother with her, I don't think she would be someone who would seriously listen to other people's points of view, or reason, logic, anything. These kind of people annoy me. Most recent entry saying that she's covered most of the groups that piss her off. Generalising, grouping, its all bad. Bad show that woman. One of these people that are just packed full of crumbled up sheets of paper. If you know what I mean by that. It's a person a bit like that I think I was arguing with about pro-choice, the thing that upset me. People who you'll never be able to convince, who would misunderstand you if you tried. Frustrating.
ex_alariya46 ══╣╠══
Hmm... I highly disagree that models are anti-feminist. I love it when people tell me I'm beautiful and shower me with compliments. I am, in truth, a blatant attention whore - states the former blonde proudly. But I fail to understand how a woman rejoicing and reveling in her prettiness is betraying women as a whole. Gar - I have mo' stuff to post on this, but the sleepiness within is begging me to crawl back into bed...
eternitywaiting ══╣╠══
I think I made my theory clear on what I think about people who make such claims....

I dislike morons. Even if she had something vaguely intelligent to say, I would dislike her *a little bit* just because she strikes me as vaguely illiterate (Jesus...us a QUESTION MARK when you ask a question.)

"Anorexia is so prominant in this society and people keep asking why, why do you fucking think? Look at the sleazy trash teenage girls are looking up to...." Bel, I don't want to rush over and comment in her journal, as an attempt to respect your request, but....aaahhhh, whenever someone says it's a copycat thing, I want to ask them to then explain why obesity is so prevalent in America. I hate blaming all your problems on the media...it's a sign that you're not spiritually strong enough to take responsibility for your own actions...and methinks this chick falls under that category. AND, I hate that someone can claim to not judge people by looks and then refer to people they've never met as "sleazy trash."

Hypocrisy!
aubkabob ══╣╠══
very good point. i think that there's TREMENDOUSLY worse numbers in America that are obese, vs. other eating disorders.

course, i didn't run off and do any research on this statement, so i could just be shooting from the hip...
eternitywaiting ══╣╠══
http://www.nhpf.org/pdfs_bp/BP_Obesity_7-03.pdf

Click on "figure 1," it tells ya the numbers. If you don't feel like clicking the link, it's a study from 1999-2000, when 64% of American adults were overweight or obese, with 34% being the former and 30% being the latter. The numbers have grown....

http://www.obesity.org/subs/childhood/prevalence.shtml

That's on obesity in children. Again, in 1999-2000, (and again, the numbers have grown) 15.3% of kids ages 6-11 were obese (not overweight...obese) and 15.5% of kids ages 12-19 were obese.

It's all very sad, and a much more overwhelming problem if you ask me. :-/
aubkabob ══╣╠══
thanks very much for the links :)
eternitywaiting ══╣╠══
No problem. :-)
eternitywaiting ══╣╠══
Oooh OOH. "That might be true for you and your type but some of us are beyond that." I'm sorry, I just read that, but...YOUR TYPE?! How did you not bitch-slap her for that one? *I* want to bitch-slap her for that one....
belenen ══╣garrulous╠══
It took some self-control -- but I liked being the polite, intelligent, non-shallow one, and not attacking her seemed to fit that. *quirks an eyebrow*
sky_falls_down ══╣╠══
what crap!

but you, belenen...you are awesome. you really are.
mabels ══╣╠══
Oh...now I see...okay. I read your other post first then this one.


I dont belive that anyone can completly seperate themsevles from all outward appearances etc. By that I mean there will always be something which you are pre-judging by.
mabels ══╣╠══
Well, I don’t feel Ms. Coca argued their point effectively or logically. I also don’t think she understood what you were saying. I particularly don’t think Coca’s gf had ANY clue what she was talking about when she called you thickheaded (etc.), especially because you came in there with a very non-confrontational manner, just meaning to express your views that not all models are all about “looks” and the importance of looks.



Personally, I like to “model” for pictures because I like to create and be a part of art. This is exactly how I see your photos; As pieces of art that you have helped create. Some models might be all about “looking good”, but others obviously let their inner soul, and creativity shine through. To these people its not about looking good, its about the art.
tinystages ══╣╠══
ignore her. she's scurge. ugh.
anar_anar ══╣╠══
Hmm.
Now, reading her rant and then your comments, I've made a few observations.

For one, I think I understand what she was attempting to say in her original rant, however she didn't articulate it very well and she was also pretty judgemental in it. That's going ot be the biggest flaw in any argument.
I think I see a bit of what both of you are saying and to be honest, I have my own ideas which probably don't mirror either very well.
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