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hypothetical button-pressing murders


icon: "bloodcurdling (photo of me w wide-eyed snarling wild expression wearing "Red Queen" makeup: searingly red lips, darkened pointed eyebrows, black eyeliner, deep red & black eyeshadow accented with gold & silver, and black-outlined silver hearts & diamonds with red shadows on my cheeks)"

prompt from webgirluk: Imagine you are placed in a room with two buttons and you have to press one. If you press button A, it will automatically end your life. However, if you press button B, you will end the lives of two people elsewhere in the world who are strangers to you and your closest. You won't ever read about the event in the news or what happened and your choice won't make the media, either. What button would you press? And if you do press button B, how many people would it be before you would press button A?

If I couldn't know who it would be, I'd have to press button A; I don't think my life is more valuable than someone else's generally. If I could control who it would be, I'd press button B, because my life sure as shit is more valuable than people like Brock's dad (who is 99.9% as guilty of that rape as the son is, having trained his child to be a rapist) and that fucking judge who excused him. And all the white cops who kill black people because they can get away with it, etc. If I could choose who would die, there'd be a lot of people dead before I chose to put myself in the lineup. I would only kill people who I was certain were harming the world by being alive.

I would die before killing a merely mediocre sexist asshole who was not abusive, just because at that point it's a matter of scale rather than good/evil. I may be more good than some people but that doesn't give me more right to live; however I do see myself as having more right (and responsibility) to live than someone who is evil (knowingly and actively causing harm to others). This is hypocritical, as I do not believe in intentionally causing harm to any living being; I'm okay with that. My moral orientation is chaotic neutral.


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ghostwriter ══╣Me in Spirit╠══
Did she post these somewhere? I didn't notice in her journal anywhere.
webgirluk ══╣╠══
Oh my goodness, I feel anxiety after reading this thread as I did not expect it to be such a loaded question, even if it's what I was asked for, when you consider many choose a new phone or a healthy dinner over helping more the starving anyhow. I did not use the word *murder* in the original question anyhow. I am sorry if I offended people in the way I worded it.
ghostwriter ══╣Me in Spirit╠══
I wasn't offended just didn't realize where you posted it. : ) I guess it was in a community I'm not a member of.
webgirluk ══╣╠══
No I realised you were most likely not offended by it. I was just doing a gasp and wtf at you over other replies as you're a friend lol and also to say no not a community, I just asked Belenen a challenging question for them on their journal that was difficult to answer or I would find it and they replied fine with a deep response.
belenen ══╣╠══
Sorry you feel anxiety about this! I didn't have a problem answering, and I think answering genuinely (rather than trying to avoid) tells about how you value yourself versus others. I think it's worth asking.
belenen ══╣╠══
No, it was a response to my request for prompts, I linked it in the entry: http://belenen.livejournal.com/643732.html
webgirluk ══╣╠══
My intention has been yes this, to reply on an ask for prompts over a very challenging question, which you did reply to and I enjoyed your response to it. Thanks :-) I just felt caught in a loop hole where I have to explain myself in this thread a lot to others but I'll accept it is my own insecurity over my lack of intelligence in my question being wrong or badly worded and back out x
bobby1933 ══╣╠══
These ethical dilemma games are bullshit and set us up for dangerous mindsets. Of course there is always a third option (or more if one is creative). It is my finger, and i hope i would not use it to press either button. If the person in charge of the experiment chooses to kill me, so be it. But i should not be a party to either murder or suicide. I do believe in self defense however, so the experimenter had better not get too close.
belenen ══╣honesty╠══
Well, I see the intention of the question as a means to help illustrate how a person perceives their life worth relative to others. I thought it was a useful thought experiment.
bobby1933 ══╣╠══
I grant your point, but i have heard of such dilemmas being used in high school classes where students were penalized gradewise for refusing to choose.
medesign ══╣╠══
id rather just walk away from the buttons.
belenen ══╣garrulous╠══
Sure, but that doesn't answer the question!
medesign ══╣╠══
its hard to pick what is less selfish. i feel killing yourself is selfish as it can cause trauma and pain to those that love you. however saving yourself and killing two people close to you would be painful as well. for me i guess i would pick button b, i have lost many close people in my life and though it would be a devestating thing i think i would rather carry the sadness then to have others have to take it .
ragnarok_08 ══╣NGE ★ fearful gospel╠══
I would only kill people who I was certain were harming the world by being alive.

My sentiments exactly.
belenen ══╣connate╠══
*nods, points to my eyes, then your eyes, then my eyes* you get it.
call_me_katya ══╣Red Riding Hood - solitary╠══
Thing is, in the rules of this question I would have to press button A and kill myself eventually anyway. I mean, I'm assuming you can never just leave the room? So in knowing I'm facing sudden death I actually think I might press B a lot, not to save myself [as I'm dying anyway] but in a half-assed attempt to save the population problem? I mean, as I understand it even if I pressed B frequently the birth rate would still outstrip my pressing, but that's what I would be trying to do. For the Earth's resources.
belenen ══╣intrigued╠══
that is a totally unique take on it that I hadn't even considered! I love the way your brain works <3
lorelei_sakti ══╣╠══
I love that your moral orientation is chaotic neutral.
belenen ══╣amused╠══
*grins*
wanderipity ══╣╠══
Interesting answer.
belenen ══╣garrulous╠══
thanks!
teamryuk ══╣╠══
the morality itself
'...My moral orientation is chaotic neutral...' It sounds bizarre and exquisite.
belenen ══╣analytical╠══
Re: the morality itself
heh, it's from role playing games -- the idea of good, neutral and bad morality structured by law, neutrality, or chaos.
meri_sielu ══╣black wolf gaze╠══
I do actually think you answered that really well and interestingly enough I think I would have said the same. :)
belenen ══╣powerful╠══
awesome ;-)
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